However, for a microcosm of the conservative vs. moderate movements, LISTEN to the interview. In the end, Frum comes across as deathly afraid of a Republican loss in 2012 and thinks Palin would guarantee one. Ziegler, conversely, comes across as an advocate for igniting the passion in the conservative movement almost as much as a Palin defender, especially toward the end when he smacks down Frum with a comment about the Republican party needing to support its warriors instead of its traitors.


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